First off who sings hold on tight to your dreams, that would be ELO!
Honda Accord commercial sings Hold on tight to your dreams~ Yeah cause they’re gonna be GONE!
Don’t ya love how the foreign pieces of crap car companies are trying to make their cars look American. Honda is using the Electric Light Orchestra Song Hold on tight to your dreams to sell the Honda Accord. In the Hold on tight to your dream commercial it shows kids and the country side looking all American like with a rustic old barn . No matter what the Hold on tight to your dream commercial is showing, The Honda Accord is far from American no matter how you slice it. Honda is NOT American!!!
I think what the Hold on tight to your dream commercial is really saying is buy our cars and put Americans out of work. Yeah we don’t have health care costs and our government under values its currency to make our cars even cheaper to really put the Americans out of work. Or if they are built here they send the profits back to Japan!
So I think maybe we need a new song like, See how our cars suck your American cash up!
Screw Honda Buy American to Hold on tight to your dreams! Screw Rice Rides! Honda’s built here or there still suck for America!!!
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You sound like a blind patriot. It’s not Honda’s fault they build a better product. All this America rah-rah-rah stuff you are spewing is great and all, but why should we support companies that build an inferior product? Because it’s the patriotic thing to do? Are you going to give me the 5-10 thousand dollars I’ll lose in depreciation every trade-in, when it’s time for a new American vehicle? I didn’t think so.
How about directing your complaints toward the American “visionaries” who set up the concept of trade, allowing these products into our country? It’s all about money, but the Japanese turned the tables on us and they delivered a superior product. My Accord was built in Ohio by an American. Good enough for me. I owned 3 American cars before my Accord, there is no comparison.
As for the Big 3: Build it, We will come. Fortunately for your case, Consumer Reports is proving that they are finally getting that message.
Steven
Having good jobs and wanting workers to have good jobs and wanting to recycle the US dollar makes me a patriot? Patriot doesn’t really come to mind, just seems smart really.
I don’t under stand how my whole family buys GM for at least 5 decades and never had any problems with the GM cars. GM built cars are just as good as rice rides. They run for ever. blah blah blah Toyota has better quality, yeah that is why they’re having recalls and the Tundra just sucks!
Yep heard this one before and still don’t buy it! Thanks for your feedback though.
“Screw Honda Buy American to Hold on tight to your dreams! Screw Rice Rides!” — See, that’s what I’m getting at. Those comments make you sound like some NASCAR hoosier.
Honda, Toyota, and Nissan are all building more plants here, so that should help fill this quota you have for making sure there are plenty of good jobs available in the industry. By the way, what’s GM doing? Oh yeah, shipping more jobs to Mexico. You’ve documented that.
Your family has an impressive track record with GM vehicles. Especially considering the last 2 decades of their products have been among the worst in terms of quality and reliability. So, congratulations on your family beating the odds! Hell, even Bob Lutz would agree with that. And these Japanese car companies you hate so much….they are the sole reason the Big 3 has made strides in recent quality ratings. Hats off to the Big 3 for being forced to make better vehicles or become extinct. Gee, I’m so glad they turned things around for the right reasons.
Be careful when you poke fun at the recent slide in Toyota quality. Considering a majority of their cars sold in the US are also made here now, you may be ripping into the ability of the American autoworker to build their products.
Look man, are you going to throw out your TV because Sony, Samsung, Hitachi, Panasonic or whoever outside the US profited from the purchase? An educated consumer buys the best product. Again, citing Consumer Reports, maybe the tide is turning??
Rice rides shouldn’t be in NASCAR~
Well GM has committed to the public to build more cars here due to the the recent contract talks. GM hasn’t built a factory in Mexico since what 89, we just got two brand new factories. Maybe they will if now they can compete with the rice rides. Heavens forbid we would buy a more expensive car that supports retiree health care! Well that dis advantage is now gone, and the big 3 are making much better quality cars. Lets see if America really wants jobs or not and want to keep the US dollar at home?
[quote]An educated consumer buys the best product.[/qoute]
More like the poor American buys the cheapest product.
Geesh I miss Zenith!! lol Most people probably never heard of Zenith.
Hondas use more American parts than most American cars. Do your research and maybe you will learn a thing or too. Ive worked on cars for a long time professionally and you can not beat foreign quality and reliability.
Yep some rice rides made in the US have some US made parts and some made by the big 3 have foreign parts. There is no big news there. Rice rides made here send profits back to where ever, not so good for the US buck. The big 3 make cars here that have mostly American parts, just have to look. If more people bought those the big 3 would invest more and keep the US buck in the US. Why would the big 3 care right now really as American seem to love to send the US buck aboard and rack up huge trade deficits. Autos account for what 120 billion a year in the trade deficit.
GM has said now they have ditched health care for retirees(God forbid we would pay more for a car that supports health care for people) will build more products and invest more capital in the US. Still not buying the quality issue. Toyota is having recall after recall.
The US has lost over 4 million manufacturing jobs since 2001. It is not just about cars, its about everything. What about the rest of the job losses, trade deficits and outsourcings???
Where did I ever say the big 3 were perfect? Where did I ever say 100% of the big 3′s products were made in the US? Were did I say the big 3 only use 100% American made parts? If American’s made the effort to buy as close to 100% American made cars by American companies you think that would go unnoticed by the big 3? I don’t think so.
Anyways thanks for you comments.
Your use of ‘rice rides’ sure sounds racist to me, which your xenophobia seems rooted in. It’s one thing to critique the way multinational corporations behave, be they U.S., Japanese, German, or British, but it’s another to invoke ‘new’ neologisms that pass as well, just plain racist.
I am far from racist and I really don’t see it as racist. I can think of some racist terms though. However you are free to think what you want. That term is hardly new rice ride, rice rocket or rice burner has been around for a while. Now a new term might be rice rags referring to clothes made in China.
You crack me up. Why do you think American cars are such crap? Is it the technology? No. Is it the materials being used? Not really. Could it be the labor? Fuck yes it is. When some uneducated union trooper can earn $65000 for holding a ratchet and hooking up a wheel on an assembly line – now THAT is a problem.
This kind of crap forces the price of cars to skyrocket. Add to that, the greedy company’s desire to cut corners to raise the margin and to have a recipe for American Bullshit; which is what Detroit is famous for spewing out for consumers.
Thank you, but I will continue to buy my automobiles from companies who know a thing or two about design, production, and assembly – the Japanese!
So, you can go cry at your union hall while all of your buddies drink a beer and bitch about the state of your demise; meanwhile, I’ll be watching my odometer hit 175K and know my car will still be dependable for many more months to come (probably even years).
Well all your Jap cars being made in the US get just about the same wages except they didn’t have half million on health care. So unions driving the cost up is your problem with buying American, ok.
You kinda sound like I am a UAW worker? That I am not.
Now far as the UAW driving up the costs of US made cars by US owned companies lets see how true that is.
Toyota 2008 Camary price range: $18,750 – $25,200
Chevy 2008 Malibu price range $17,701 – $24,106
Gas mileage is all comparable with both models. I think the Malibu is more styling that the Toyota. Read review after review about the 2008 Malibu.
Both made in The US! One even with SUPER HIGH WAGES from the UAW.
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My grandma has a 2003 Oldsmobile Aurora with nearly 80,000 miles and I would take that car head to head with any 2008 Asian made car and have a lil competition. That Oldsmobile is rock solid and would eat those cars.
Toyota is having some quality issues right now. Recall after recall and we won’t even talk about the Tundra! Not sure where you get your info from about UAW members being uneducated lazy over paid bums from. Could you elaborate how you came to this conclusion? Who many do you know in person and real life?
Does the big 3 have some lazy workers? Oh I am sure they do, I imagine Toyota plants do to as does any work place setting. To say all of the UAW members are fat over paid bums is well such ridiculous statement. You just called my dad a big fat over paid bum which I can straight up guarantee you he was not when he was at the Olds plant.
Thanks for your insight though~
The four American made cars that I owned before I started buying Hondas were a 1974 Vega which required a new engine at 30,000 miles, a 1982 Camaro which spent more time in service than I spent driving it a Ford Windstar that blew a head gasket inside of 30,000 miles and a Dodge Caravan that dropped a transmission at 35,000 miles.
I am currently driving my seventh Honda. Out of the seven that I’ve owned only one of them has ever seen the inside of a service bay, and that was for a broken trim cover on a seat belt connector.
I buy the best car I can find for my money and lately, that car has been made by Honda. The big three have made a lot of improvements in their products lately because they have been paying attention to what the foreign car makers are doing. At some point I may actually have enough courage to try another American made car if the UAW doesn’t put them all out of business first.
Still odd that you got all these funked cars and my whole family never got any! It really is odd. Well I think the UAW has done plenty to keep the big 3 alive.
Thanks for commenting.
I love how you guys bash Honda when they have plans to open more factories in the US, and Toyota is moving its factories to the south, they don’t want Asian labor anymore than we do. Mean while.. Ford and GM are running to Mexico, so go a head support the Mexican workers if you buy an escort or fusion. Ill stick to my American made products.. by the way about 40% of their investment is American, which returns to US investors. Learn the facts, Its not their fault for beating us at our own competitive market.
Interesting fact.. there are more American made PARTS in a 2007 Camry then there is a 2007 Fusion.
My friends all have ford taurus’s.. they start having major problems at about 60,000 miles.. pathetic
I really don’t know too much about Ford’s doings. I am not sure what you mean by running to Mexico for GM. GM hasn’t built a factory in Mexico what 20 years but we just got 2 new factories here??? Yep flooding to Mexico!!
Returns to profits to Japan you mean? I do realize the Big 3 have some models made outside the US. I would suggest not buying those either and buy American made by American company. That start happening and the big 3 will build more and more models here.
Well since the Ford Fusion is made in Mexico and the Camry is made in USA I guess that is not really rocket science to that statement is there.
Best made in America by American company.
Next made in America by foreign company.
Next made somewhere else by American company.
Finally made some where by non American company.
Just because GM, Ford and Chrysler make products outside the U.S.A. doesn’t mean they don’t make any in the U.S.A.!! Buy more American made by American companies I am pretty sure there will be more and more models made in the U.S.A.
Well since the Ford Taurus is made by an American company and made in the USA I am surprised they got that many miles! Really~
In response to Steven T. James, the Japanese did not win the American market with a “superior product.” They won it with a cheaper product that functions fairly well. “My Accord was built in Ohio by an American. Good enough for me.” I bet that is good enough for you. Wal-mart is marketed in America as well, I’m sure that’s good enough for you as well. By the way, that $10,000 that Honda has apparently saved you, maybe all those companies saving you all that money on cheaper products should give you a tax deduction as well, because you are paying for their employees health benefits. Cheap goods are only cheap on the price tag.
In response to Joe American: Dear Joe, as if your user name did not fully illustrate you misplaced patriatism your comments certainly do. Ahh cheap goods. Some how they go hand in hand with cheap people. Cheap ignorant people too! Hmmm…someone is jealous because a group of workers have used they collective bargaining strength to negotiate good wages…what a crime. It would be much better to shift the burden of providing services that are unaffordable to low income families, health care, and social services to those who must have two parents work on the government. Poor corporations, they shouldn’t have to share their wealth. We the American people, as taxpayers should supplement their income by providing these essential services to their employees. Second, the Japanese do not make a better product anymore and if your basis for buying Japanse cars is jealousy over the wages of american workers, perhaps your user name should be Jose Mexico, because patriotism should extend farther than a desire for cheap goods.
P.S. 65k is not a ton of money. Maybe for you, because you cannot afford to drive a real automobile and have to put around in piece crap Japanese cars. Are you an accountant? Did you go to college and cannot to afford anything better than a Honda? Is this your source of frustration? That high school educated people make more money than you, because so far you have been unable to capitalize on your education or apparent intelligence? The success of others is not the source of your plight. It is your short sightedness and selfish outlook on life.
You are an idiot. Who cares? Nobody. It’s a commercial.
Apparently you cared enough to post along with a few others.
Jo,
“They won it (the American market) with a cheaper product that functions fairly well”. Fairly well? Uh, I’d say more like exceptionally well. In fact, so flipping well that it turned the Big Fat 3 on their heads and forced them to do better to compete. Any gain in Big 3 quality is a direct result of the high level of foreign competition…..not because the consumer deserves it!!!!!!! By the way, if it performs better and is cheaper, it’s a superior product.
Also, you need to visit a few dealerships to check sticker prices. The MDX that will replace my wife’s POS Explorer isn’t cheap, as you continue to say.
One last thing, it’s not necessarily the product that turned me away from American vehicles. More so it had to do with the punks in the service departments who didn’t seem to give a damn about helping me through the problems. Customer service: it’s important.
that would be brilliant insight, were it not for one minor problem.. ELO was from England. now I’m never buying a Honda… I sure hate British companies. nice work.
Really ELO is from England? Your a bloody rocket sciencetist. I was going for the connection with the Ameican dream, the big ol red barn etc etc.
See Honda like to use the dream theme for its car like the other song Dreamer by Supertramp. I think they are American but I anxiously await you to tell us~
Well both of my grandfathers were UAW and nobody in my family had ever owned a foreign car until recently. In fact, the Japanese sunk my one grandfathers ship in WW2. So why did we quit buying American? Because they suck. Don’t tell me my family isn’t patriotic because we don’t waste our hard earned money on crappy cars so that your family will have job stability.
As far as the workers being overpaid, they are. In fact, they are making the Big 3 go out of business with their retirement and such. That’s why they are sending jobs to Mexico and Canada, so they don’t have to spend all their profits on employees. Every time someone mentions this you say “GM hasn’t built a plant there since ’89.” Well, last time I checked the “Big 3″ did not only consist of GM. Anyways, just b/c they aren’t building new plants doesn’t mean they are not still using foreign labor. That’s why the Ford Escort I drove in high school said “Made in Guadalajara.”
Toyota and Honda both employee many people in the area I live in, near OH/KY. These employees (not to mention the plants) pay taxes to the American government and the money they spend is invested in the local economy. If fact, I’ve even benefitted by them as my company has created training programs for the plant workers.
When you buy American cars, you aren’t helping America, you are helping the American car companies and Michigan residents. This country is not Socialist, its is based in capitalism.
Here is an article from Consumer Reports:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/pricing/best-worst-in-car-reliability-1005/overview/index.htm
“Overall, Asian models still dominate in reliability, accounting for 34 of the 39 models in the Most reliable new car list. Thirty-one are Japanese and three are South Korean.
Despite Toyota’s problems, the automaker still ranks third overall in reliability, behind only Honda and Subaru, with 17 models in the best list. Honda has seven with a smaller model lineup.
Only four domestic models made the Most reliable list: the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Pontiac Vibe, and the two-wheel-drive Ford F-150 with the V6 engine. U.S. makes, however, account for almost half the models–20 of 44–on the Least reliable list. There are 13 from GM, 6 from Chrysler, and 1 from Ford.”
Well in case you didnt realize the big 3 pay roughly the same as the foreign cars made in the US. However the big 3 have 100′s of thousands of retired workers. Toyota will have those some day too.
Well I don’t believe I called anyone unpatriotic lol. Currently none of my family works for any of the big three but are retired from them.
Well GM is building new plants we just got two. Actually when you buy American Cars made cars by American made companies its better for the economy than the others. It does not only help Michigan but many other states and the country as a whole. As a whole keeps the money in the US and recycles the dollar into our country.
I find it funny theres so many other things that are American made any more either telephones, electronics-tvs etc etc where they made crappy and by over paid workers too? What about textile I suppose the same.
Just because there is globalization doesn’t mean we should buy it. Don’t buy it and manufactures will get the clue.
Like I said if I was capable of doing so I would take my grandmothers 2003 Oldsmobile Aurora and go head to head with any 2008 rice ride~ Have a little drive off. I giving the rice ride a 80,000 mile advantage and I am quite sure that Olds could hang.
Ifiniti car owner really guess everyone I know gets lucky with their GM cars. My family never had any problems with our Oldsmobiles thru the 80s, 90s, 00s.
Actually I was just trying to point out a lot of the things you said were ridiculous. I’m not sure what you mean by a “drive off” w/ your grandmother’s Aurora, but if you read the Consumer Reports article it clearly states the most reliable cars are overwhelmingly made by Asian companies.
“Don’t ya love how the foreign pieces of crap car companies are trying to make their cars look American” — you
Clearly they are not the crappy cars you make them out to be.
“The Honda Accord is far from American no matter how you slice it. Honda is NOT American!!!” — you
“Actually when you buy American Cars made cars by American made companies its better for the economy than the others.” –you
I understand how the dollar works too, but the fact is many “foreign” companies DO use American labor and a lot of American companies DO use foreign labor. They both use a combination, how is one combo better than another? If anything the Asian manufacturers can take the money they saved on healthcare/retirement and reinvest it into more factories. And as you said, why is it all the other types of American companies don’t go broke producing goods? Probably b/c they don’t have the UAW threatening to strike once a year. You know who pays for my healthcare and retirement? Me, but I’m not going to sue over it my company over it.
The Unions started out good but they just don’t work in todays economy.
I mean you take any 2008 rice ride of your choosing and I will take my grandmothers 2003 Oldsmobile with roughly 80,000 miles and we’ll just see how bad that American quality really is with a drive off (meaning well drive each one till it dies). I believe for 2004 the last year the Oldsmobile was made, it was no. 9 in quality (ahead of many rice rides).
I mean pieces of crap as in trade deficit causing, money going out of the country. You say globalization is just something that is happening so we should just get it over it. Just because there is globalization doesn’t mean people have to buy foreign produced items.
So your saying running nearly 60 billion in trade deficits is good for the USA. Your saying nearly 5 million jobs are good for the USA or are you saying a couple rice ride factories makes up for that??? I guess you know how the dollar works because its at a all time low. You don’t think this is not going to come back in bite the USA in the butt??? All these trade deficits, money going out of country?? What a joke your statements are.
Actually the Union hasn’t had a strike in what 36 years or something. So your talking your @$$ about striking every year. Don’t be bitter because you have to pay all your health care! Many companies pay employee-retiree health care, unfortunately you didn’t chose to work for a company that pays for yours. Doesn’t matter now for the UAW because the retirees health care isn’t on the books any more. Heavens forbid is a USA made car cost more due to health benefits of it retirees~
Sorry I still don’t think Honda or Toyota is anyway American. Unlike where some of your favorite cars come from we have freedom of speech here in America~
I said threaten to strike. And actually GM went on strike in September ’07.
“Heavens forbid is a USA made car cost more due to health benefits of it retirees~” – you
I know these are tough times and that is why you can’t expect people to shell out extra money to keep retirement funds going, especially when US factories are pumping out very unreliable cars NOWADAYS. Foreign cars are (better) made by machines that don’t need health insurance and that seems to be working well for them.
There may be a trade deficit but that doesn’t just involve automobiles. We need to find new industries to invest in.
BTW Japan is not the only country we have a deficit with:
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/top/dst/current/deficit.html
I’m 6’3″ tall and have yet to find an American made car in which I can stretch my legs like I have been able to do in many Japanese made cars. Oh wait, the Lincoln was close but the seat was too high and the rear view mirror blocked about fifties degrees of my vision.
Quality issues aside, how can you clowns in Michigan ignore the fact there are many of us that just want a comfortable ride?
Stevie, he won’t acknowledge the facts as have been stated above, how could he possibly admit they aren’t comfortable cars? The funny thing is I actually agree with a lof of the things this guy says on other pages, but he is obviously not a car man, driving around his grandma’s olds.
I think I found his other page here: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2669370
Well I had a post typed out after you post before this one Infiniti dude and some how it got lost (think I forgot to save the post).
I believe what you mean is since you don’t get health insurance so no one should. Don’t be jealous. Will Toyota retirees get health care (really don’t know and its too late to be searching for the answer). Actually lots of people get employee paid health insurance and in their retirement. So I suppose we should work on getting them to stop that practice too. Other industries must be over pricing their products and services due to that.
I did happen to look at some quality ratings of vehicles. Seems there is some big 3 vehicles on the list and some rice rides. I also seen that there are a lot of foreign cars on the bottom of the list, Mitsubishi comes to mind along with others. I guess it really boils down to shopping around with both foreign and domestics having good and bad cars. Less the commercial is lying the Lincoln has some good quality. Toyota continues to quality issues while the big 3 strive to improve theirs.
Really there is more to the trade deficit than vehicles? Your kidding right? Lets see vehicles count for what 25% of the deficit. Oils accounts for geesh not even show, so take out oil and the vehicle deficit is what 50% or more? Not sure its too late to crunch numbers but its sure a huge portion of the trade deficit no matter how you slice it.
Now since were going to slam my Grandmothers 2003 Oldsmobile Aurora. That is one bad ass ride. That car would do anyone proud in quality, style and over satisfaction. I would take that car hands down.
Wow I wish that old Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme you found was my car except for the color. Kinda looks like my ’76 lime green Cutlass with black interior. I do wish I had that car too, unfortunately it was totaled. Man that car would be a classic ride today! Some day I will get another bad ass Cutlass.
Wow I was wondering if anyone in this little thread thought about anything else. Guess you did read at least some other things.
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mmmm I don’t recall riding in a big 3 car and being uncomfortable, my grandmas crappy Oldsmobile as you would like to refer to it as rides like a dream with heated and inflatable seats, nice and comfy comes to mind really. My old friend – roommate was 6’3″ as well and I rode in many big 3 vehicles with him and I don’t recall there being a problem. That is a new bitch we haven’t heard in this lil thread yet though.
“I also seen that there are a lot of foreign cars on the bottom of the list” – you
My point in posting that was you said ALL Asian cars are junk and 34 of the 39 most reliable cars are Asian. I never said ALL of them were superior and I never said ALL US cars are junk. I think somebody needs to read the words on the screen. I would take a Corvette, XLR-V, or KOTR Mustang any day.
“Toyota continues to quality issues while the big 3 strive to improve theirs.” – you
The article says “Despite Toyota’s problems, the automaker still ranks third overall in RELIABILITY, behind only HONDA and SUBARU, with 17 models in the best list.” They are saying even if Toyotas aren’t all that great anymore, they are STILL more reliable than US cars. It doesn’t matter if the US is STRIVING to improve, what it means is that Toyota cars are STILL MORE RELIABLE than US cars. Geez, if Toyotas suck that bad then US cars must REALLY suck.
I wanted health care so I bought health insurance instead of a big tv or new wheels or having six kids I can’t feed. If you make 60k a year and you can’t afford insurance you either
a) shouldnt have had 10 kids
b) dont know how to manage money
c) are just retarded.
Maybe one day UAW workers will realize that they, too, are allowed to buy their own insurance. Here is my health care plan for auto workers: first buy insurance, then watch this video.
http://consumerist.com/consumer/clips/snl-skit-dont-buy-stuff-you-cant-afford-252491.php
How can you argue with that?
I skimmed through my posts I can see where I said all Asian cars sucks. I say they suck for the American economy, send American money out of the US and rack up a huge portion of the trade deficit.
While Toyota, Subaru and Honda may be the top they are just barely at the top. Some the ratings I seen they were JUST ahead in quality, so they do trash the American economy, send American money out of the US and the trade def for a very slight difference in quality. You act like the quality is just blowing the big 3 away. It’s not.
Ok so you are jealous they get health insurance as do the rice ride makers working in the US. Why didn’t you just say so in the first place? I am sure a lot people get insurance that “probably” get insurance too, or get other benefits you feel they shouldn’t. I think you forgot they shouldn’t get vacation and over time too.
I went in, how did you say it, driving around his grandma’s olds, yesterday and I specifically paid attention the luxury ride it gave in the deluxe seats. Wow I couldn’t have been more comfy in a lazy boy chair. I then looked at the Aurora’s styling and wow it is much better looking than a Camry or the Accord. I told her you said her car was crap, she chuckled and said oh really. I told her about going head to head with your Infiniti she said she would love to do a challenge.
Anyways you enjoy your Infiniti and while this is the longest time my grandma’s had a car since I can remember she said that she didn’t think the Olds would ever die.
“Some the ratings I seen they were JUST ahead in quality, so they do trash the American economy, send American money out of the US and the trade def for a very slight difference in quality.” – you
So does oil, but you still buy that don’t you? You could buy it straight out of Dallas except it would cost 20 times more b/c there isn’t all that much there.
Look, you are basically saying you wish people would buy American cars to keep the dollar here. Ok I’m with you on that. I am simply saying if American cars were priced competitively and more reliable then people would buy them.
I pull in over 100k a year and I have never even used my health insurance. I’m not bragging, I just want you to understand I am not jealous of some factory worker’s benefits. American cars would be cheaper if they did not have to pay for workers’ insurance, agreed? Why don’t the worker’s pay for their own insurance? It’s not a Constitutional right to get insurance. If I worked at a factory I would be more concerned that the product isn’t selling and that means I could lose my job. Then no insurance OR paycheck.
Right now the economy sucks. If American cars were more competitive then people would buy them and then the dollar would stay here. I am simply trying to explain to you that nobody is going to spend more money on a less reliable car as you are encouraging people to do. Face it, that’s just not going to happen. Its not the consumer’s fault it is Detroit’s. If they only painted cars “turd brown” would you still buy one lol?
Here is the scenario: I am Joe Consumer and I need to buy a car and I have a fixed amount of money. I can buy a Hyundai or a Ford. The Hyundai is slightly cheaper (and comes w/ a 100k drivetrain warranty) so I could also afford to get power windows/locks and air conditioning (or whatever, you get the point) for the same price as the stripped down Ford. Would I spend extra money on the Ford just so some UAW employee can get insurance and retirement? After all, I am just a low-income American and I don’t even have health insurance myself. Make sense?
Your grandma’s car is a beater compared to any new car, be it American, Japanese, Korean, German, French etc. It is over 10 f*ckin years old and was made by a defunct car company, come on. Oldsmobile itself never even claimed it made the longest running car. I would take your challenge except I am turning in the Infiniti in a couple months b/c the lease is up. You will be happy to know that I am considering a Dodge Challenger Hemi as a replacement if I don’t like the way the new G37s feel (they redid them this year). You have to admit they are both good looking cars.
Well I am about cutting the OPEC strings too let me tell ya. Americans are oil hogs! I am crossing my fingers on the Chevy Volt. I do realize it only goes 40 miles with no gas but it is a start. Least with electricity the money will stay here! The Volt with get 153 mpg on 60 mile trips and on a full tank it will get well over 50. The plugin hybrid is our greatest chance to tell OPEC to stick it up their woohoo!
Hmmm well rice rides made in the US get health insurance too. Sure they don’t have to pay health insurance back in the home land because everyone gets health care unlike the US. So you don’t think universal health coverage is a good idea and the growing number of unisured Americans should continue? Nice~ It might not be a constitution right but not having universal health care is well ridiculous. The war on the middle class continues!
Comparably priced cars. Hmmm the quality reports I seen the Malibu was top in its segment, entry level sedan and is similar in price with the Camry and Accord(even less than the Camry). On a side note the Camry is more stylish than the Camry. Hmmm ok! Really now!
The Oldsmobile just turned five, its a 2003. Its still a rock solid car and very stylish. Yes the Oldsmobile is defunct. That wasn’t such a smart move on GM’s part(GM had it out for the Olds for the last 30yrs) I know you could care less but the Oldsmobile. Anyways that 2003 Aurora will continue to run another 10 years if not longer. Yeah I am Oldsmobile lover, yes I always will be probably. 2004 the Oldsmobile marquee was 9th in quality.
Well both are imports really. Chrysler Sebring looks pretty good US made. I really like the Buick Enclave US made. My aunt just got a Lucerne which is pretty good. Dodge has a nice looking cars made in the US. The more I see the Enclave the more I really like it.
Bottom line.
Detriot, Mich. or Tokyo, Japan
R. Koonce
Or Seoul Korea with Kia and Hyundai and in the not so distant future China.
Well is it really that simple?
China? HA! I wouldn’t call that a car. In China they make their cars look EXACTLY like popular models built in non-3rd world countries (http://www.hemmy.net/2007/05/18/automobile-industry-chinese-copycats/). The Europeans/Japanese can’t do anything about it though b/c China doesn’t adhere to their laws. Of course the frame is made of cardboard and the thing probably only runs for 10k miles but it LOOKS like an expensive car.
I don’t think they will be able to pass safety tests in the Us. Even if they do, who wants to drive around a Commie car made out of lead? You want to call a car rice, these are the cars for you. The filters are probably made of it.
My mistake about the Aurora, I thought you said it was a ’93, although if you are driving that thing around in 2017 I wouldn’t want to be seen near you lol. How old are you btw? This might explain our difference in taste, I’m only 28.
I would love to still be riding it around in the Aurora in 2025~ For 1 it is a kick ass car, 2 means grandma will be around a while more, 3rd it will be antique.
I’m 41. wow only 28 and making a 100k a year. What do you do?
Yes GM already sued over the Chery QQ for some kind of copy cat thing. Yes I already no the Chinese can’t get their cars here yet. Yet being the key word. Hmmm you really don’t think Americans will buy Chinese made cars. Wanna wager on that one?
After looking at some Chinese made rice rides I discovered they are already being sold in the EU. That shows me they will making their way here soon some as early as 2009 since they missed the 2008 launch they wanted. Let me know if you want to wager or not.
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Taken from wikipedia:
Geely originally planned to begin selling cars for the North American market in 2008, the year of the Beijing Olympics, but after several test vehicles failed U.S. crash and emissions tests, Geely’s debut in America has been delayed until 2009.
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See the Zhongxing website:
http://www.zxauto.com.cn/en/
We are on our way to the U.S.
“The Chinese are coming,” the European and North American media have reported over the past year. But the Chinese company that will be first to arrive in North America will be Zhongxing.
Well tell your grandma I hope she outlive the Aurora lol.
I think SOME Americans will buy Chinese cars but not enough to dent the market. After all, every other import from there contains lead and kills people. And they aren’t going to be allowed to import the copycarts, there are too many intellectual copyright laws here. I wouldn’t listen to anything the Chinese say, they kill their own people for disagreeing with the government. Why wouldn’t they lie about when their piece of you-know-what “cars” are going to arrive here? Considering their toys are lethal, they probably won’t have it easy meeting emmisions and safety standards.
Please understand that China and Japan are 2 TOTALLY different groups of people. I doubt the Japanese would like to compared to them, and the Chinese are still kinda mad about all the looting and pillaging that took place in WWII.
I am a graphic/media designer. I have some really great stuff you would get a kick out of, email me and I’ll pass it on. I assume you can get that information off the form? BTW, you do realize that anybody can just type “poop” in there and you won’t be able to find them don’t you?
Oh and just another thing, Hyundai is making some nice cars nowadays, although Kia’s are pretty cheap.
Well there may be no love loss between the Japs and the Chinese but I bet we see Chinese cars here real soon. I bet it well see a million Chinese made cars a year sold in the USA before your know it. With the Chinese already selling in Europe pretty much to me proves it. The Europeans must have some decent standards.
Do you really think that lead paint and date rape drug scare storped many Americans from buying Made in China toys this year. I don’t think so. I really don’t think Americans are very bright. Really I don’t think they are!! Cheap cheap cheap. They would rather a save a few bucks than employee other Americans and I am not even talking about vehicles!
Still ready to bet the Chinese sell a decent amount of vehicles in the USA in the near future. I am sure the Japs will really hate the Chinese when they start jacking with their vehicle market.
Well I will concede we are not the brightest of people, look at who was elected president TWICE. I still think it will be hard for them to market them though. However, one of your darlings, Chrysler, is trying to HELP THEM out by putting their badge on a Chery.
Yes, one of the big 3 is importing Commie-made Chinese cars and calling it one of their own. Disgusting. What say you to that? Just Google it. Would you rather buy a Japanese car made in Kentucky or an American car made by inferior Chinese slave labor?
Well the anti godless fags who kills babies keep putting freaks like G.W. Bush into office. Although if anyone think G.W. Bush is a Christian I got some land for them!!!
I wouldn’t to buy either~
Well I’m not sure who the “anti-godless fags” who kill babies are but I don’t believe in the sky fairy. I am no fag though. What do you think the response is going to be from the American people when they find out Chrysler is importing Chinese “cars?” Maybe you should refer to them as the “Big 2″ now.
The anti baby killing godless fags = Republicans. Meaning Republicans get elected by promising to regulate morality and be pro Christian in their agendas, i.e. anti abortion and anti gay marriage. You take religion out of the Republican platform the party would be all done!!! Christianity is the only thing keeping that party going. How do you think they carry them bible beating southern states. The south has some of the poorest states but yet they keep electing Republicans who are anti poor but carry the pro God message. Don’t get me started on the south though!!!
Well the simple answer is don’t buy those cars, or the Aveo or any other big 3 vehicle made outside the US. It’s just more outsourcing by American companies. Just more US jobs being lost. Actually I am surprised we still have as many cars by the big 3 being made in the US as we do now. God bless the Yuan~
I never once said the big 3 were perfect and had no flaws. I did say there are enough choices (for now) of vehicles being built in the US by US companies to satisfy the buying market. Recycling is good is specially when it is the US dollars. Woohoo trade deficit this year is another record nearing 250 BILLION USD!
Well I am pretty much going to agree with everything there, althouth Ron Paul isnt’ on the bible wagon.
Don’t worry about me buying an Aveo, I have taste. They would sell more of them if they were covered in giant brown paper bags.
This is what I say about Ron Paul. If it walks like a republican, talks like a republican, its probably having airport bathroom sex, I mean no it’s a republican!
Actually he is a Libertarian running on the Republican ticket b/c most Americans don’t even know what a Libertarian is. They are the ones that say government needs to step down a little and let people live their lives without big brother holding their hand. That is what “Republican” and “conservative” used to mean before airheads like Pat Robertson and Tom DeLay came along.
Now its just a bunch of bible-beating retards that are so worried about morals and our children that they are willing to constantly engage in homosexual intercourse. Not sure how that works, but I bet they keep trying until something happens.
Oh I know what a Libertarian is. I used to be a libertarian. A Libertarian is a Republican without the morals. I am for income redistribution! When the forefathers set up the American way and rules of Capitalism I don’t believe they meant for CEOs to be raking in 67.9 million bonuses and regular salaries in the 100 million ranges while the American worker gets less! At one time CEO and upper management made 20 – 35 times what the hourly worker made, now its up over 500 times. American is the next third world country in the making! The top continues to get richer as the poorer continue to increase and get poorer! I am not saying CEOs shouldnt make more than than the average worker but making 120 million and huge bonuses is extreme! Specially when those bonuses are based on how many jobs can be shipped over to china!
Yeah but the rich actually pay the majority of taxes in the US. Blame the board of directors. If someone were willing to give you that kind of money would you turn it down? When the forefathers set up the American there was no such thing as a CEO. That’s what capitalism is. Like any other system, you take the good with the bad. Supply and demand.
You are hypocritical when you say Libertarians are Republicans w/o the morals. For one you already inferred Republicans don’t have morals and are hypocrites themselves. And in general anybody that categorizes a group as not having morals does not posess them. You do not need religion or a group to have morals, period. I was brought up to know right from wrong, you do not know me so do not judge me. You actually sound like the biggest Republican I’ve ever met.
And if the rich countries get richer, then how will the US turn into a third world country?
I should also mention you don’t need to remind anyone you are up for income redistribution, you are the one that said all Americans should pay extra for American products just to keep the dollar here, which in turn goes to those CEOs you despise so much. The US is the home of overpaid CEOs. The only reason Bill Ford took a paycut was to save his ass.
Ok what I meant was, is Libertarians are like Republicans who think they have morals. Does that make more sense for ya. Republicans are social conservatives(or think they are) and economic conservatives(maybe again think they are) and Libertarians are economic conservatives but very liberal on social issues, hence Republicans without morals.
I despise CEOs who are reaping huge profits on the backs of the American due to outsourcing. Outsourcing is not globalization? Outsourcing is American companies making American products aboard. I mean if the Chinese want to make Rice Land and ship that here to compete with Candy Land fine. However Candy Land should not be made in China. But yes CEO’s are over paid.
CEO’s who send factories over seas are skirting paying taxes by being overseas. US companies should be taxed higher for outsourcing. I hate CEO’s making huge profits on the outsourcing of US jobs. It is tax evasion.
Yes the Richest pay the most tax and good for them since they are not into paying a living wage for workers and it is time to repeal the Bush tax cuts. Example a cashier working at wally world making $7.25 with basically no benefits. So I don’t really feel for them. Don’t worry I don’t think $100,000 is a high enough income to be in the tax the heck out of category. I do think $100,000 should pay a lil more than someone at the bottom of the US feeding pool though.
Are you asking why I think the US is heading for third world status?
Great Lake Boy…If thoughtful ideas were like a book I was prepared, when I first started reading at the top, to at least give you credit for having read at least a SENTENCE. As I completed the entire discourse and everyone’s response, however, by the time I got to the bottom I gave you credit for no more than having read more than a WORD! People like you are scary! You probably read something about a falling dollar in your Reader’s Digest subscription or with the fellas down at your local bar (I’d like to be a fly on THAT dumb-ass wall!) and you thought to yourself, hey, I’ll bet I can talk about that! Well, GLB, you can’t…you’re a dumb ass! So stop it! Go fill up another car with gas, okay! And make it a Toyota!
Well since you want to call names. Listen red state boy get up off your sister or mother depending on what day of the week it is and stick your rice ride up your woohoo!
I really don’t understand what your ranting about because I don’t speak redneck but you must be a repukican!~ Does your Toyota have a confederate flag waving?
We will see what kind of economy 2008 brings us, shall we??
I called Gieko to ask for hot rock insurance and they denied me!
i.e. I don’t think Honda was going for the “Like A Rock” effect I think they were going more for the yuppie crowd having childhood memories.
You’re pros gives hedake me did you take typing monkey class? I go aboard this year for da first time to pizza a-go-go land,
Do people still LOL? Do you record your LOL when you are alone so your grandma can listen to it later when you return her Aurora and then you guys can laugh together when you drive to visit pop on the picket line.
On a serious note. I finally sold my Nissan pickup last year. It was 12 years old and had almost 100,000 miles. I had planned to sell it back in 2001 when I moved to a bigger city with good public transportation. The only problem was I loved that truck and wanted to wait till it gave me trouble. Finally, to get rid of my gasoline addiction I moved to a city with even better transportation and forced myself to sell that truck. My grandfather had a gm truck, it was awesome but alas always in the shop. American cars fall apart and I can think of many of them that make these awful plastic rattling sounds when you drive.
No, I don’t make a large amount of money. Yes I would actually enjoy working at a car plant, and I’ve tried to work at assembly line type places. IT IS NOT A FUN ENVIRONMENT IF YOU ARE A WOMAN! I could either talk about men butts with the other ladies or hear someone tell me how they planned on having sex with me by a certain date. My point is why do cars cost $20,000 in the first place? Lets work on technology instead of who buys what where and what kind of unnecessary doodads we can put in a car. Not being a car fanatic I actually thought Asian cars were generally more expensive then American. Why? Because of quality.
* I will approve this one just because it is so funny~ Great Lake Boy
What only a 100,000 miles on a Nissan? That is pretty pathetic for the great rice rides. These kinds of vehicles usually get about 250,000 miles!!
I gurantee that Oldsmobile you all like to make fun of will last longer than that. Oh I guess replacing a air pump at 80,000 miles makes it a lemon. The brakes lasted 80,000 miles too and just got replaced, lemon, lemon, lemon. OH yeah and the tires just got replaced.
Wow total lemon.
She never said it stopped working at 100,000 miles, just that she didnt want to pay for gas anymore. And I’m going to bang her in the back of my rice car by 5/6/08.
Well she said she didn’t want to sell it till it gave her trouble along with using public transportation, so made it sound that way. Course I should have known Nissan’s would last till Jesus comes again~. Puke.
Where have you been rice ride lover?
Working so I could pay for my health insurance instead of being a deadbeat and wanting someone to give it to me for free. And “rice ride lover” does not offend me, but I think you meant “fan of reliable products”.
Ahhh it wasn’t meant to offend~ Who you calling a dead beat? If you worked more you could pay for your neighbors insurance.
Ahhh yes UAW workers get it for free along with the rest of the people who get employee paid insurance???
Oh of course reliable products…what was I thinking?
“If you worked more you could pay for your neighbors insurance.”
Socialist deadbeat.
LMAO~
Hey man, just wanted you to know that the residual value on my G35 was so high they bought out my lease three months early and put me in a brand new G37! Thought you would be happy for me
I am so happy I could shit~ If we get hungry we can eat your foreign car!!
P.S. I had no idea what a G35 was so I had to look it up~
You can always tell when this Rice Ride’s commercial is being played again because the views start picking up! lol
Im the only one that bothered to read this post and Im the same person that posted all that other stuff. This commercial hasn’t played for some time.
I know your a rocket scientist but this commercial has been playing all week! So you have no idea what the hell your talking about!! I wonder if Michigan Sucks lives in some fuxored up red state?
Not where I live it hasn’t, which proves you were wrong in assuming that is why I was posting here.
Either way I can always tell when it’s being played.
Well, it looks like I was right. America is getting screwed over by at least 2 of the 3 major American auto corporations. Hopefully the government dissolves the damn unions now.
Unions have a little to do with it. Like the job bank needs to but other wise you really have no clue. Legacy costs however have a great impact! One of these days these fucking rice ride transplant will have retiree health care costs too and pensions~ I wonder what will happen then? I do, do you?
Yeah the big 3 been doing business here for a 100 years and the transplants just recently. Yeah I am sure it is cheaper for them to build fucking cars here! DUH! It’s not fucking rocket science! Not to mention the imports where Japan has government health care! You do realize the base rates are basically the same for the domestic and transplants except they don’t have half millioni retirees.
Union this, union that, union na na na na~ Some people crack me the fuck up! Hopefully the Employee Free Choice Act passes.
Weill the transplants build war machines or will we have to outsource that too? lol So much for security! Go fly a Japan flag~
Where was the bitching for rich wall street? Do you work in financial by chance? Not even a mention of that in your post!
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